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		<title>By: Chris Fawkes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Fawkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own thoughts are that many of us, myself included have two personalities. The personality we want others to perceive us as having and the real us.

So if i brush past another person in the street it is usually followed by an apology from both of us with each party acknowledging fault. If we were in cars our response would be seasoned with less grace and the fault would definitely be the other guys.

It&#039;s a minor thing and we are far from a jekyll and hyde

For most of us the internet creates a good medium. We might say things a little more direct at times than we would face to face but we own the opinions we provide.

Trolls are usually  people who want to be liked, desperately appreciated. They feel a lack of appreciation and they focus their anger at someone who gets the recognition they feel they deserve.

No way would they want someone to think they are as nasty as the person who wants to say the things they want to so they hide.

It truly is the biggest act of cowardice but under anonymity no one knows who the coward is and they can live with that as long as they can vent.

Great blog post Skip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own thoughts are that many of us, myself included have two personalities. The personality we want others to perceive us as having and the real us.</p>
<p>So if i brush past another person in the street it is usually followed by an apology from both of us with each party acknowledging fault. If we were in cars our response would be seasoned with less grace and the fault would definitely be the other guys.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a minor thing and we are far from a jekyll and hyde</p>
<p>For most of us the internet creates a good medium. We might say things a little more direct at times than we would face to face but we own the opinions we provide.</p>
<p>Trolls are usually  people who want to be liked, desperately appreciated. They feel a lack of appreciation and they focus their anger at someone who gets the recognition they feel they deserve.</p>
<p>No way would they want someone to think they are as nasty as the person who wants to say the things they want to so they hide.</p>
<p>It truly is the biggest act of cowardice but under anonymity no one knows who the coward is and they can live with that as long as they can vent.</p>
<p>Great blog post Skip.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarda Brych</title>
		<link>http://skipsphotonetwork.com/2010/01/and-you-call-yourself-a-professional-another-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-462</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarda Brych</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen! well said indeed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen! well said indeed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Martin</title>
		<link>http://skipsphotonetwork.com/2010/01/and-you-call-yourself-a-professional-another-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-461</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see - Scott has 62,300 followers or so - on the site that&#039;s bashing him there are roughly 62 people piling on. That amounts to .001 % of his audience hating on him. That must mean that he&#039;s making the other 99.999 % happy.

Let&#039;s face it - most of the people who make it to the top of the online social media space are constantly attacked no matter what they do. Everyone from Scott Kelby to Seth Godin to Rober Scoble has their share of trolls. Bourne is in the same boat.

While I don&#039;t always agree with him, I guarantee you I have learned more from him than anyone else in my life. He doesn&#039;t charge a penny for his blog, podcast or social media content. And gets a great big bunch of grief in return. I am surprised the guy even bothers to try to help.

His points on pricing are right on and I back him up on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see &#8211; Scott has 62,300 followers or so &#8211; on the site that&#8217;s bashing him there are roughly 62 people piling on. That amounts to .001 % of his audience hating on him. That must mean that he&#8217;s making the other 99.999 % happy.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it &#8211; most of the people who make it to the top of the online social media space are constantly attacked no matter what they do. Everyone from Scott Kelby to Seth Godin to Rober Scoble has their share of trolls. Bourne is in the same boat.</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t always agree with him, I guarantee you I have learned more from him than anyone else in my life. He doesn&#8217;t charge a penny for his blog, podcast or social media content. And gets a great big bunch of grief in return. I am surprised the guy even bothers to try to help.</p>
<p>His points on pricing are right on and I back him up on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Crago</title>
		<link>http://skipsphotonetwork.com/2010/01/and-you-call-yourself-a-professional-another-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-460</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Crago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 01:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unbelievable - I read the blog run by the people attacking Scott - and the comments show that tehy are talking out of both sides of their mouths. On the one hand they say it&#039;s Scott&#039;s demeanor they are complaining about - yet the comments clearly show it&#039;s his position they are mad about. So being experts at mobilizing a mob, they have tried to gin up a fake controversy to cover up the simple fact that they don&#039;t like being called out for selling out their own industry. It&#039;s like high school all over again. Then they seem to be recruiting anyone who has a beef with Scott to pile on. It&#039;s easy to attack the big dog - everyone seems to want to bring down the top guy - seems like it will somehow beef up their reputation? Wow it&#039;s wild. Scott has done more for the online community than anyone I know. Yes he&#039;s opinionated. That&#039;s smart marketing. He knows media and I am sure he&#039;s controversial sometimes because he knows it will get a rise out of people. But when you call someone names and threaten him, you must expect a little blowback. If he did vent, he&#039;s got that right.

Frankly, if you look at the list of people attacking Scott, they don&#039;t have the combined credibility of Richard Nixon. Thanks Skip for sticking up for Scott&#039;s efforts to keep prices real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbelievable &#8211; I read the blog run by the people attacking Scott &#8211; and the comments show that tehy are talking out of both sides of their mouths. On the one hand they say it&#8217;s Scott&#8217;s demeanor they are complaining about &#8211; yet the comments clearly show it&#8217;s his position they are mad about. So being experts at mobilizing a mob, they have tried to gin up a fake controversy to cover up the simple fact that they don&#8217;t like being called out for selling out their own industry. It&#8217;s like high school all over again. Then they seem to be recruiting anyone who has a beef with Scott to pile on. It&#8217;s easy to attack the big dog &#8211; everyone seems to want to bring down the top guy &#8211; seems like it will somehow beef up their reputation? Wow it&#8217;s wild. Scott has done more for the online community than anyone I know. Yes he&#8217;s opinionated. That&#8217;s smart marketing. He knows media and I am sure he&#8217;s controversial sometimes because he knows it will get a rise out of people. But when you call someone names and threaten him, you must expect a little blowback. If he did vent, he&#8217;s got that right.</p>
<p>Frankly, if you look at the list of people attacking Scott, they don&#8217;t have the combined credibility of Richard Nixon. Thanks Skip for sticking up for Scott&#8217;s efforts to keep prices real.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Bourne</title>
		<link>http://skipsphotonetwork.com/2010/01/and-you-call-yourself-a-professional-another-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-459</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Bourne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew I tried to address that today - http://photofocus.com/2010/01/26/pricing-professional-weddingportrait-photography-resources-and-ideas/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew I tried to address that today &#8211; <a href="http://photofocus.com/2010/01/26/pricing-professional-weddingportrait-photography-resources-and-ideas/" rel="nofollow">http://photofocus.com/2010/01/26/pricing-professional-weddingportrait-photography-resources-and-ideas/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Bourne</title>
		<link>http://skipsphotonetwork.com/2010/01/and-you-call-yourself-a-professional-another-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-458</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Bourne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Patty what the people you are referring to are upset about is that when they call people names, threaten them and generally ACT like trolls they get TREATED like trolls. Most of what those people have claimed about me is simply crap.

And it&#039;s a deflection because they don&#039;t like my opinion.

I find it interesting that you and others touting that story haven&#039;t spoken out against the threats of violence against me.

In any event, as someone with a large audience, I realize there&#039;s a large target on my back. There&#039;s no way to defend myself against the lies so I won&#039;t bother trying. My post speaks for itself. If people just don&#039;t like me, my style, my approach, they&#039;re free to move on. It&#039;s a big world. According to what I&#039;ve seen from many of them they are using their dislike of me personally to try to deflate the valid points I made on pricing - which is what they were originally (and actually) mad about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Patty what the people you are referring to are upset about is that when they call people names, threaten them and generally ACT like trolls they get TREATED like trolls. Most of what those people have claimed about me is simply crap.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s a deflection because they don&#8217;t like my opinion.</p>
<p>I find it interesting that you and others touting that story haven&#8217;t spoken out against the threats of violence against me.</p>
<p>In any event, as someone with a large audience, I realize there&#8217;s a large target on my back. There&#8217;s no way to defend myself against the lies so I won&#8217;t bother trying. My post speaks for itself. If people just don&#8217;t like me, my style, my approach, they&#8217;re free to move on. It&#8217;s a big world. According to what I&#8217;ve seen from many of them they are using their dislike of me personally to try to deflate the valid points I made on pricing &#8211; which is what they were originally (and actually) mad about.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Sumner White</title>
		<link>http://skipsphotonetwork.com/2010/01/and-you-call-yourself-a-professional-another-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-457</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Sumner White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this, Skip! I greatly appreciate what both you and Scott are doing for the advancement of our amazing industry!

There are so many people that have gone into photography since the &quot;digital slr revolution&quot;. Many of these may have the love and passion the job requires, but they don&#039;t have the knowledge and skills to have such an important event as a wedding placed in their inexperienced hands.

To reply to Andrew, your best bet is to find your local network of professional photographers and offer your services as an assistant - carry bags and lenses if you must. Work your way in to being a second shooter on weddings and build your portfolio that way. Don&#039;t be afraid to offer to assist portrait and commercial photographers also. You will learn skills vital for wedding photography from these professionals. There are many workshop opportunities that will also allow you to build portfolio images.

Having our industry brought to its knees by the these photographers who undercharge and shoot 2000 images to get 200 semi-decent ones is hurting the profession and the individual photographers. As pros, we have the responsibility to take these people under our wing and train them to see what a precious commodity we provide our clients and that it should be priced to reflect its true value.

This is a subject near and dear to me, and I could go on and on, but I hope this can steer just one aspiring photographer to learn what it takes to create value in your craft and price your work accordingly so that our clients see that value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this, Skip! I greatly appreciate what both you and Scott are doing for the advancement of our amazing industry!</p>
<p>There are so many people that have gone into photography since the &#8220;digital slr revolution&#8221;. Many of these may have the love and passion the job requires, but they don&#8217;t have the knowledge and skills to have such an important event as a wedding placed in their inexperienced hands.</p>
<p>To reply to Andrew, your best bet is to find your local network of professional photographers and offer your services as an assistant &#8211; carry bags and lenses if you must. Work your way in to being a second shooter on weddings and build your portfolio that way. Don&#8217;t be afraid to offer to assist portrait and commercial photographers also. You will learn skills vital for wedding photography from these professionals. There are many workshop opportunities that will also allow you to build portfolio images.</p>
<p>Having our industry brought to its knees by the these photographers who undercharge and shoot 2000 images to get 200 semi-decent ones is hurting the profession and the individual photographers. As pros, we have the responsibility to take these people under our wing and train them to see what a precious commodity we provide our clients and that it should be priced to reflect its true value.</p>
<p>This is a subject near and dear to me, and I could go on and on, but I hope this can steer just one aspiring photographer to learn what it takes to create value in your craft and price your work accordingly so that our clients see that value.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeni</title>
		<link>http://skipsphotonetwork.com/2010/01/and-you-call-yourself-a-professional-another-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-456</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get people who make threats.  What are they really proving?  You can disagree with someone without being hateful.  That&#039;s the problem with today&#039;s society, as a whole.  Everyone has an opinion (which is fine) but, they get so hateful and mean when expressing that opinion because someone else disagrees with them.  People are going to disagree with you, it&#039;s a part of life.  Agree to disagree and move on.

There&#039;s also no point in being childish and blocking people because they disagree with you, when that person respected you as a photographer and look up to you for advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get people who make threats.  What are they really proving?  You can disagree with someone without being hateful.  That&#8217;s the problem with today&#8217;s society, as a whole.  Everyone has an opinion (which is fine) but, they get so hateful and mean when expressing that opinion because someone else disagrees with them.  People are going to disagree with you, it&#8217;s a part of life.  Agree to disagree and move on.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also no point in being childish and blocking people because they disagree with you, when that person respected you as a photographer and look up to you for advice.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way... I still think the photography industry needs a union!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way&#8230; I still think the photography industry needs a union!</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad someone is standing up for the industry.  Anybody can own a camera and call themselves a photographer.  Anyone can have a website and get a few lucky photographs worthy of showing in an online portfolio.  But not everyone is qualified to actually perform wedding photography.

I understand the other side of the argument because I was there not too long ago.  But to the $500 wedding photographer I will say this... You will only be worth what you charge.  But in the meantime, you charging $500 for a wedding brings down the value of the very people you are aspiring to be.  And once you feel like you are worth more than $500, what are you going to do when your next door neighbor buys a camera and a website?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad someone is standing up for the industry.  Anybody can own a camera and call themselves a photographer.  Anyone can have a website and get a few lucky photographs worthy of showing in an online portfolio.  But not everyone is qualified to actually perform wedding photography.</p>
<p>I understand the other side of the argument because I was there not too long ago.  But to the $500 wedding photographer I will say this&#8230; You will only be worth what you charge.  But in the meantime, you charging $500 for a wedding brings down the value of the very people you are aspiring to be.  And once you feel like you are worth more than $500, what are you going to do when your next door neighbor buys a camera and a website?</p>
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